Tuesday, November 18, 2008

Whoops. Here it is for real.

Hey Liat,

 

I am all for questioning why we should keep mitzvot, but I think it can be dangerous. (And by dangerous I mean dangerously freeing). I questioned why on earth I keep kashrut and why on earth I keep halacha. I’ve come up with some reasons that make me want to do some things some of the time, but I’ve rejected any strong commitment.

 

It seems to me that if we rely on our own answers we aren’t relying on halacha. The halachic system is set and if we question it too much we risk falling out of it. Maybe you can question from within the system, but that’s a cop out. I don’t think  that incomplete questioning  can bring real satisfaction.

 

Why do you think you need halcha to be the person who you want to be? If you know the person who you want to be, why don’t you just try being that person and let halacaha come in on the side?

 

 

Mr. Kurin,

 

What can I contribute to this discussion if I reject divine will? For the sake of conversation I have been known to equate my personal will with divine will, but I only really mean that my will is of the highest importance (to me).

 

What is so great about the authority of the Jewish tradition?  Do you think that it is possible for someone to live a fulfilling life without bowing to its authority? 

Fashionably late

Saturday, November 1, 2008

This was going to be a comment, but then it ended up being long enough for a post…

Liat,
I was happy to finally see some action on the blog, so thanks for that.
I just want to point out a few things about your response.
1) When you talk about keeping lashon hara because that's the kind of person you want to be, I would place that under the category of comfort. Even though it's not actually comfortable, what I meant by comfort was any reason other than the fulfillment of the Divine Will.

2) This is also related to your discussion about deciding whether or not to keep the mitzvot. You have articulated an issue that basically all of the commentators who did ta'amei hamitzvot discussed. The mainstream view is that extrapolating reasons for mitzvot can be a useful tool in making them more meaningful for people, as you correctly mentioned. But, other than that you can basically take them or leave them, since they are only speculative. They all agree that these reasons can not determine whether or not we actually keep the mitzvah. Although it is obvious that they would take this position, it seems to me to be very logical. The question at hand (and this is also part of the response to your suggestion that I should look more into the reasons for mitzvoth and question them) is whether or not the mitzvot are a clear expression of the divine will. If you do believe in the traditional view of Torah MiSinai (which, correct me if I’m wrong, as far as I know you do, unlike some of the other contributors to this blog, who by the way haven’t done much in the way of contributing!) can you justify valuing your own speculation over what is explicitly written?
- There are several ways one could answer this question. These include sociological reasoning (i.e. the mitzvah applied then, but now times have changed, and so should it), and a separation between the Torah and the Talmud (i.e. I’ll follow what the Torah explicitly says, but the Talmud was just speculation also, and I can do that too). In my opinion both of these arguments are pretty weak, especially for one who believes in Torah MiSinai, but I don’t need to discuss them any more unless you choose to use one of them in your answer.
- Of course, you could always just say that halacha is for comfort/meaning/becoming an ideal person, and then you would avoid this entire problem. That would, however, constitute a rejection of the authority of the Jewish tradition. So, Liat, where do you stand on all of this? I guess what it all boils down to, and this question is now for Shoshi also, is whether halacha is a set of laws, or a set of suggestions.

3) About me being bothered by questions against my beliefs: As was sort of implied when we spoke in person, I totally agree with the importance of questioning oneself, and I certainly support the avoidance of blindly following the beliefs of those around you. However, all I meant to say was that the particular questions at hand were not bothersome to me, for the reasons I explained.